Keep dreaming 6:18 Sun Sep 18
Moyes Out ( Released )
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Posted the same last year. Nothing has changed, except win don't win matches anymore.
I'm fed up, we can do much better
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ATHammer
7:00 Tue May 14
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He has gone, whichever side of the divide you were on it's over. I am glad to see the back of his dreary, rubbish football, disregard for youth and abuse of certain players. He will get all the support that the Moyes in brigade could wish for on Talkshite. I am looking forward, the bigger picture remains Sullivan and Brady who created the environment for the divisive twat to thrive.
That said the new manager, next years squad (yes, we might even have one) are far more worthy of discussion than the ex manager.
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Gaffer58
6:53 Tue May 14
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Completely agree with 99% of folks on here, ok Moyes did his initial job of avoiding relegation but there was basically no general football improvement. Also all those experts saying BCWYWF, would they be happy if Moyes was suddenly managing City, Arsenal
, Spurs or Liverpool, so therefore why do we have to put up with dull boring football, if keeping possession, playing the press is good enough for Pep then it’s also good enough for us.
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Eerie Descent
5:35 Tue May 14
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Lock a thread that is getting a lot of attention and posts, about a divisive West Ham manager, on a forum that is getting less and less traction in general?
Yeah, great idea.
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ATHammer
4:04 Tue May 14
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First rule of management. Always look forward. Time to lock this thread?
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Russ of the BML
2:55 Tue May 14
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twoleftfeet 1:10 Tue May 14
I disagree.
His interviews and press conferences with his constant digs are proof of that.
But as you said, he is gone. Good. we can all move on.
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BillyJenningsBoots
2:07 Tue May 14
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2left
Thats exactly how he treats the fans... if he didnt he wouldnt serve up that crap week in week out and then make out the fans need to get behind the team like its our fault the team are performing poorly...
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Hammer and Pickle
1:25 Tue May 14
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Just been told I was making “assumptions” for saying Moyes’s lack of faith and judgment had been exposed with the Downes loan. Was going to mention Benrahma and Kehrer as well but just gave up - the “expert” was clearly not interested that kind of fact.
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twoleftfeet
1:10 Tue May 14
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He doesn’t treat us with disdain you bellend.
Fuck me you Moyes haters need to let it go, he is leaving.
Move on.
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Russ of the BML
12:35 Tue May 14
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BillyJenningsBoots 12:29 Tue May 14
No. But one explanation is that they are just fucking idiots.
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BillyJenningsBoots
12:29 Tue May 14
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Russ 12:26
But that doesnt explain our fans who seem to think Moyes can do no wrong either...
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Russ of the BML
12:26 Tue May 14
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BillyJenningsBoots 12:13 Tue May 14
It's pure and simple laziness coupled with their own prejudices.
Its easier to say "Moyes has done a great job" for a club that hasn't won a trophy in years, rather than do some proper research and have a well articulated knowledgeable opinion.
Then they get the hump when the fans don't support their lazy narrative. That's when you then get it becoming toxic with the ex-pro's and pundits moving into the zone of "Who do you think you are?" and "What do you know about football?"
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Lee Trundle
12:21 Tue May 14
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It really shouldn't be a surprise to anyone seeing Moyes walk straight into a job at TalkSport the day his contract expires with us.
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BillyJenningsBoots
12:13 Tue May 14
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What really gets me is not the pundits as they dont know any better they dont watch us they dont research the stats and dont care... but our own fans who think we should be grateful and praise Moyes for restoring our club from being a yoyo club to the stability we have now, when we fought relegation last season and have a worse squad now than when he joined..
I just dont understand what they are seeing and why this love for a man who treats us with disdain.. and then when you point out all his shortcomings all they say is oh you didnt enjoy winning that trophy!!!!
FFS
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Sir Alf
12:13 Tue May 14
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Wow, I totally agree with the last 10 or so posts down to the “handbags” name calling of those with low self esteem :-)
The Moyesball brand had unravelled in early 2022 some 2 seasons and more ago. The Euro campaign it was still effective as teams outside the Prem simply don’t play against extreme, low block, countering teams any more. That masked 2 and a half seasons of decline in the league. So in addition to being very hard to watch Moyes approach just wasnt effective on a consistent basis anymore. Those wins this season before Xmas were really quite astonishing in many ways. Areola was outstanding and the “margins” definitely went our way. But never sustainable but glad we were in good shape points wiseor we would have been in relegation trouble based on our 2nd half of the season results.
Russ’s mention of a class system is a good way to describe how the media narrative works.
Based on history in part but also on the “gravy train” of TV subscriptions world wide and club revenues. The pundits, media, ex players and managers etc all make a living from the game and its easier for them to have the predictability and to laud the rich teams and appeal to millions of United, City, Liverpool, Chelsea and Arse/ Spurs fans in Asia, the USA etc
Dont want teams like Chelsea out of the mix too long and need United back in that top 4.
Leicester a nice one off and Villa ok but not top 4 too often. And little West Ham all need to “know their place”. Just not enough supporter TV subs :-)
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Lee Trundle
11:55 Tue May 14
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Good summary, Rossal.
It just highlights how poor we've played for the majority of the season, and probably last 2 years.
I hate Chelsea, with a passion, but I felt hardly anything after they recently tonked us. That's because I expected it. And I was going into every game like that because of the way we play.
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Stowie.40
11:37 Tue May 14
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Yep agree about shit housing wins, very rarely come away thinking we played very well there, maybe Brentford, Newcastle at home was decent first half but we was shit 2nd, same as Villa at home.
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fraser
11:15 Tue May 14
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The win against Brentford cruising at 4-1 yet sat back and got our goal peppered, they could have easily got back into it. Scored one could easily have been more.
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Rossal
11:10 Tue May 14
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Yep, was it the 0-0 with Brighton at home where they had something like 30 shots and Areola made 11 saves was it?
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Side of Ham
11:06 Tue May 14
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Rossal, there was that Arsenal away win where Arsenal created far more chances than in their 6-0 thrashing of us at home, for us to get two shithouse goals……yet we got told we defended brilliantly….they opened us up at will and just missed their chances….
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Russ of the BML
11:01 Tue May 14
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southbankbornnbred 10:31 Tue May 14
Well articulated. Sums it up perfectly for me.
I would also like to add that I think alot of the pundits issue with West Ham simply comes from the class system within football.
We have had a few exciting years under Moyes what with Euro football and some good league finishes. But that's all ingrained within exactly what you described.
But they look down at us - Playing in Europe, not fighting relegation, winning a Euro trophy and they see us grumbling at the detail and the true context and it forms a question in their head which is "Who do you think you are?".
It's all based around a 'how dare you want more" position of authority. I mean, little old West Ham - Getting out their station demanding European football, good results in the league AND exciting entertaining football.
I can't help seeing Harry Secombe in Oliver - "More! You want more?" when all Oliver Twist wanted was some more gruel.
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Rossal
10:54 Tue May 14
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I dont think i've ever seen us have as big as a shithouse season as this one. Finishing top half is extremely fortunate and deceiving when you look at our wins.
Chelsea - played shit, they missed a pen and we shithoused a win 2nd half
Brighton - Thought we played well, but was a counter attack masterclass and we didnt touch the ball much. Remeber facing a barrage of shots last half hour or so
Luton - Set piece goals i think, then very lucky JWP didnt give away a pen right at the end
Sheff Utd - Played alright but theyre shit
Notts Forest - Played alright, had to rely on a winner near the end
Burnley - Played shit, shithoused 2 goals at the end
Spurs - Played shit first half, shithoused 2 goals second half
Wolves - Good performance, one of the best all year
Man Utd - Did ok, 2 mistakes from them gave us the goals
Arsenal away - Played well, but again bit shithouse.....faced a barrage of shots yet again
Brentford - Probably the best performance of the season
Everton - Played shit, shithoused it at the end
Wolves - Awful first half, shithoused the 2nd half.....a penalty and a goal direct from a corner ffs
Luton - First half awful, good 2nd half
So whats that, 5 wins that were deserved this season max? Roll on august!
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